Diablo 3

[Coots]

Well about this "true Challenge":

 

What I have seen of the typical hardcore player on twitch.tv is that they farm for gear for weeks up until that point where they are certain that they have enough gear to progress without dying.

 

It is all about gear. With good enough gear everything becomes "easy" and then where is the challenge?

 

 

[Darkuz]

Muuman wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 00:26

Sinful wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 00:14 Fox wrote on Thu, 07 June 2012 22:47 Fucking shit HC Inferno goblin farming... Boring shit. Tomorrow I will continue the quest line. Die if I do, but I can't take this shit goblin farming.   Then why the fuck are you playing HC? It's 90% about outgearing content before even attempting it, and the only way to do that is farm. Remaining 10% might be down to skill. Look at the streams of no life HC people, it's 95% farming, either chests or goblins, to do 5% "new" content.   Quote: However, as my experience grew, I also decided that the rush and intensity of hardcore really just makes softcore seem even *more* bland.   Yeah, the rush and intensity of fighting goblins and opening chests seems really appealing. Really wish i could do that all alone instead of playing with my friends... Because there's a damn rush you CANNOT EVER get from playing Softcore where you can afford being drunk, stupid, retarded and noob in order to complete stuff. It's more awesome than Softcore because only the players out for a thrill wants it.. Once you go HC you never go back, been that way since diablo 2!

 

HC,never played it yet in d2 or d3... maybe ill give a try someday.

 

But the horror stories heard how you can die just simple bug in game mechanics, lag, some other shit that has nothing to do with the player itself, ill play softcore a while since the bugs are sometimes really annoying... elites that continues firing mortar 5min after hes hp is reduced to 0, or like Ulti just posted picture where invunerable minions dont die with their main elite.

Tho ive seen invunerable minons to selfdestruct aswell

 

Sinful has a good point there, grind same shit allover again to get the "rush"-feeling for next checpoint to another and see if you managed to outgear the content in between.

 

 

[Lyngs]

Fox wrote on Thu, 07 June 2012 23:11

Quote: Most of my life I've been playing tough games, either in terms of skill ceiling, technical skill requirement or just by being plain unforgiving. Following this, my perspective of softcore is that it's a game where you literally cannot lose, you're hand-held through it, and at the end everyone who participates gets a medal and a diploma. Reasoning for this is that since there are no *real* penalties or set-backs upon death, as long as time is invested there will always be positive progress, meaning even the worst of players will eventually progress to the same point (if enough time is invested - this is a mathematically accurate statement. Obviously the 'enough time' depends on just how bad players are, but eventually there will be further positive progress.)   I like games where there's a clear line between winners and losers. Not where everyone will get to the exact same point regardless as long as enough time is invested.   This was the mentality I entered hardcore with. However, as my experience grew, I also decided that the rush and intensity of hardcore really just makes softcore seem even *more* bland. I also prefer the mindset, because instead of complaining and whining, people just man up and deal with it, like the old days.     Well said =P

The only difference between normal and HC is the amount of time you have to invest. As long as you can farm the same area over and over without having to progress, it is still softcore.

[Sinful]

The only time i ever debate this is when HC-players (Hi Fox) try to claim they're "doing it right" and try to shit on SC with pointless quotes etc. It's not like we end every post with some argument as to why HC players should go SC.

 

If you enjoy HC, play HC. The majority of us enjoy SC and playing together, so that's what we'll do. Let's leave it at that?

I might try HC myself sometime, but i sure as hell won't try to convince everyone else that it's the only way to play.

 

Or maybe we could make a separate thread for those that play HC to discuss how awesome it is in every post, cause throwing arguments for one side or the other in this thread is getting a bit old.

[Paintman]

HC is like religion is like a penis. You may talk about it but you should not show it around forcing it in everybodies face.

[Helias]

Sinful wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 11:59

The only time i ever debate this is when HC-players (Hi Fox) try to claim they're "doing it right" and try to shit on SC with pointless quotes etc. It's not like we end every post with some argument as to why HC players should go SC.   If you enjoy HC, play HC. The majority of us enjoy SC and playing together, so that's what we'll do. Let's leave it at that? I might try HC myself sometime, but i sure as hell won't try to convince everyone else that it's the only way to play.   Or maybe we could make a separate thread for those that play HC to discuss how awesome it is in every post, cause throwing arguments for one side or the other in this thread is getting a bit old.

 

Nuff said

[Darkuz]

Paintman. wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 11:08

HC is like religion is like a penis. You may talk about it but you should not show it around forcing it in everybodies face.

 

Yeah, generally hate the concept of trying force something for someone only because someone likes it better.

 

For foxdies, its really nice that you actually managed to level up to 60 without dying... I tried to do so when I leveled up my barb in SC and my road would have ended at 34lvl.

 

 

[Helias]

Joe: Hey! NOBODY'S trading with ANYBODY. This ain't a goddamn, fucking city council meeting, you know. Now listen up, Mr. Pink. There's two ways you can go on this job: Hardcore way or the highway. Now what's it gonna be, Mr. Pink?

[Ultimate]

Helias wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 09:48

omg omg ogm , Janne is using Whirlwind!!!! Everyone and his mother knows thats a n00b skill!!! omg omg!

 

 

whats wrong with whirlwind? it heals me! and if i'm stuck, it gets me from place a to b!

 

what are teh best skills/runes for babars then?

[Helias]

Janne wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 16:31

Helias wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 09:48 omg omg ogm , Janne is using Whirlwind!!!! Everyone and his mother knows thats a n00b skill!!! omg omg!     whats wrong with whirlwind? it heals me! and if i'm stuck, it gets me from place a to b!   what are teh best skills/runes for babars then?

 

 

But tbh i am talking about inferno difficulty, till you get there you can spec whatever works for you

You might as well starting to learn the ropes of this spec if you serious about the barb

[Ultimate]

Helias wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 16:53

Janne wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 16:31 Helias wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 09:48 omg omg ogm , Janne is using Whirlwind!!!! Everyone and his mother knows thats a n00b skill!!! omg omg!     whats wrong with whirlwind? it heals me! and if i'm stuck, it gets me from place a to b!   what are teh best skills/runes for babars then?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GutiXJOpwVg&feature=relmf u   But tbh i am talking about inferno difficulty, till you get there you can spec whatever works for you You might as well starting to learn the ropes of this spec if you serious about the barb

 

how can someone talk about items for 10 mins wtf

 

[Muuman]

My strong barbarian has perished, his deeds shall be remembered.

The mobs in act 4 decided they'd had enough of my onslaught so they gathered powerful allies and ganged up on me with those big bulls that stun :-(

[Paintman]

Muuman wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 09:13

My strong barbarian has perished, his deeds shall be remembered. The mobs in act 4 decided they'd had enough of my onslaught so they gathered powerful allies and ganged up on me with those big bulls that stun :-(

Did you react like this?

[Oxidizer]

This game is quite fun tbh, how to get in touch with you guys ingame? I need realid´s asap send PM´s plx!

[Paintman]

Trickzter wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 12:19

This game is quite fun tbh, how to get in touch with you guys ingame? I need realid´s asap send PM´s plx!

Post your B.net ID here is the easiest way. Also lots of ID's are posted in the previous page (mine is kroepoek#2493). You can find yours by clicking "add friend".

[Fox]

there is a real ID thread

 

http://www.ginnunga.org/forums/?t=msg&goto=241928&&a mp;srch=real+ID#msg_241928

[Ultimate]

Trickzter wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 13:19

This game is quite fun tbh, how to get in touch with you guys ingame? I need realid´s asap send PM´s plx!

 

add me: Janne#2801

[Bjerlk_Ferloc]

Bjerlk#AgeAge (Bjerlk#2828)

[Muuman]

Paintman. wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 11:17

Muuman wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 09:13 My strong barbarian has perished, his deeds shall be remembered. The mobs in act 4 decided they'd had enough of my onslaught so they gathered powerful allies and ganged up on me with those big bulls that stun :-( Did you react like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M q166ggocNE

Haha.. nah was more like 'awwww sheeeeiiit' and started thinking what i can do next time to avoid dying :-) :-D

[Ultimate]

jeeee my first lvl 60!!!!!!

 

and my my mouse's right click is broken. fucking whirlwind =(

[Tornaattori]

Muuman wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 17:23

Paintman. wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 11:17 Muuman wrote on Sat, 09 June 2012 09:13 My strong barbarian has perished, his deeds shall be remembered. The mobs in act 4 decided they'd had enough of my onslaught so they gathered powerful allies and ganged up on me with those big bulls that stun :-( Did you react like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M q166ggocNE Haha.. nah was more like 'awwww sheeeeiiit' and started thinking what i can do next time to avoid dying :-) :-D

 

More like this then?

[Ultimate]

lol.

 

i just found out about elective mode

 

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Helias]

Janne wrote on Mon, 11 June 2012 00:32

lol.   i just found out about elective mode   :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

Only took you 60 levels eh ??

[Fox]

elective mode has been on this topic for a long time...

[Naicha]

Janne wrote on Sun, 10 June 2012 23:32

lol.   i just found out about elective mode   :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

 

Hahahaha

[Fox]

my nub hero, looks like a hippie!

[Ultimate]

i hateeeeeeeeeeee the AH... HATEEEEEEEEEE

 

someone outbidding me 24-77 wtffffff

[Fox]

lols, talking about the enchantress...

 

Quote:

Quote: Quote: Quote: She's flirting with my female monk as well, she really needs to make up her mind..   She is possible bi-sexual... and horny for sure.   Not desperate tho, she told my WD she treats me like an older brother ;(   She does that for all male heroes. Getting friend zoned in a video game, that's painful.

 

[Fox]

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5594214282

 

Cool topic about Witch doctor pet build... I'd like to try it out. maybe I have to level a normal softcore WD just to try this out...

 

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This thread contains useful information about pets, including how to make them survive more than one hit. Yes, pets can survive up to Inferno Act 1. Feel free to suggest any useful information to be added.

 

Updates

Inferno Acts 2, 3 and 4 will be nerfed in patch 1.0.3. Pets may be viable beyond Inferno Act 1 in future.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6262208/Patch_103_Design_Pre view-6_6_2012#blog

 

Table of Contents

1. My Pets Die In 1 Hit. Pets Suck!

2. The CC Build

3. Summary

 

1. My Pets Die In 1 hit. Pets Suck!

No they do not suck. This is a very common misconception about our pets that happens due to wrong gear, and it is precisely why this guide was created to clear this up. Pets need some buffs but they are not as useless as people claim.

 

The reason why your pets are dying is because your gear does not have defensive stats to benefit them. Witch Doctors instinctively stack intelligence to increase their damage. They naturally ignore defensive stats. The problem is our pets scale off our defensive stats like armor and dodge, and because your gear lacks them, that is why they are dying.

 

To make your pets survive better, stack things that will make YOU survive better, like strength (improves armor), dexterity, intelligence (improves resistances), armor, dodge and resistances. Vitality and Block do not benefit your pets.

 

With proper gear, it is possible for your pets to survive comfortably up to Inferno Act 1.

 

Stat Priority to Increase Pet Survivability

 

* 1. Stun/Freeze

Stops an enemy from attacking. See the CC Build section below for more information.

* 2. Intelligence

Increases both pet damage and survivability (resistances). Best stat to stack.

* 3. Armor/Strength

Armor reduces all damage, not just physical damage. Armor is a more efficient stat because it exists in higher numbers than Strength.

* 4. Resist All

Resist All reduces not just magic damage, even physical damage because there is a Physical Resistance stat.

* 5. Individual Resists

Poison, Fire and Electric are more important because champions with Plagued, Desecrated and Lightning Charged stats do very high aoe damage.

* 6. Dexterity

Dodge completely stops and attack but it is unreliable. It also suffers from heavy diminishing returns. Up to 100 Dexterity, 1 dexterity = 0.1% dodge. But from 100 to 500 Dexterity, 1 dexterity = 0.025% dodge.

 

 

2. The CC Build

The CC Build was discovered during brainstorming in the previous thread as people tried to make the Witch Doctor's pets work in Inferno.

 

CC stands for "Crowd Control", which is something that temporarily disables an enemy like stun or freeze. The CC Build thus involves stacking CC stats in order to apply lots of CCs to enemies.

 

The small % chance of CCs like stuns and freezes are deceptive, because the Witch Doctor can make it happen like 80% of the time. This is due to the unique fact that the Witch Doctor has pets, and can generate relatively more hits than other classes through them. The Witch Doctor can apply CCs through his spells, his pet attacks, and his pet auras.

 

With the CC build, a single boss can even CCed so much that he barely gets out an attack, resulting in a slow but safe victory.

 

The CC build should also work well in co-op games because ranged classes like the wizard and the demon hunter will enjoy safely killing enemies from a distance while your pets tank and CC them.

 

CCs From Gear

Not all gear can have all possible CCs. Most of the item slots can have only one possible CC, with the exception of weapons and off-hands which can have all types.

 

Here are the CCs that you can get from gear. It is not necessary to get all, but the more the better.

 

* Amulet - Chance to Blind on Hit (Stat exists but search criteria isn't available)

* Belt - Chance to Freeze on Hit

* Boots - Chance to Immobilize on Hit

* Bracers - Chance to Knockback on Hit

* Gloves - Chance to Stun on Hit

* Helm - Chance to Fear on Hit

* Pants - Chance to Slow on Hit

* Shoulders - Chance to Chill on Hit

* Weapon - Bleed Chance + all of the above CCs

* Off-Hand - Bleed Chance + all of the above CCs

 

 

 

Recommended CCs

 

* Stun - To stop enemies from moving or attacking your pets, increasing survivability.

* Freeze - Same as Stun, but can be removed if attacked.

* Immobilize - To stop those pesky enemies from running away from you. E.g. Fallen Shamans that like to res enemies from afar.

* Slow - Slows movement speed of enemies to prevent them from running away or reaching you if Immobilize doesn't trigger.

* Chill - Slows attack speed and movement speed. Delays attacks from reaching your pets if stun or freeze doesn't trigger. Helps prevent enemies from escaping if Immobilize or Slow doesn't trigger.

* Bleed - Supplementary damage over time to increase your overall damage.

 

 

 

Abilities to Use

Not all spells have the same chance to make a CC happen. Some abilities can make CCs happen more than others. The chance to apply CCs seems to loosely follow the numbers found in the Witch Doctor Life Leech Per Hit, By Skill thread by Karisu.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271499223

 

Recommended Abilites and Runes

 

* Gargantuan + Big Stinker Rune (15% area poison damage per second).

Best area damage rune for Gargantuan to trigger CCs.

* Summon Zombie Dogs + Burning Dogs Rune (2% area fire damage per second).

Best area damage rune for dogs to trigger CCs.

* Corpse Spiders + Spider Queen Rune (16% area poison damage per second).

Good area damage.

* Firebomb + Fire Pit Rune (8% area fire damage per second for 3 seconds).

Good area damage.

* Plague of Toads + Rain of Toads Rune (130% area poison damage over 2 seconds).

Good area damage but costs more mana than Firebomb. Use this instead of Firebomb if you have a lot of mana.

* Spirit Walk.

Almost compulsory ability for all Witch Doctors. Escape danger.

* Big Bad Voodoo + Ghost Trance Rune (Heals 2% health per second for 20 seconds).

Faster personal attack speed means your main ability will trigger CCs more, and the heals are useful to keep your pets alive.

* Horrify + Frightening Aspect (Extra 100% armor for 8 seconds)

Good for making your pets tougher and take less damage.

 

 

 

Recommended Passive Skills

 

* Jungle Fortitude (Reduces damage taken by you and pets by 20%).

Keeps pets alive longer. Dead pets don't generate CC.

* Zombie Handler (Extra dog and health of pets increased by 20%).

Extra dog is useful to generate extra CC. Also keeps pets alive longer.

* Fierce Loyalty (Pets benefit 100% from Life Regeneration and Thorns).

The only way to heal pets to keep them alive longer.

* Blood Ritual (1% of Max Life as Life Regeneration)

Use in combination with Fierce Loyalty and a very high Life for good pet healing.

* Pierce the Veil (Damage increased 20%, mana costs increased 30%)

The best defense is a good offense, kill your enemies before your pets die.

 

 

 

3. Summary

Do Stats Benefit Pets?

Defensive Stats

 

* Strength: Yes (through increasing armor)

* Dexterity: Yes (through increasing dodge)

* Intelligence: Yes (through increasing resistances)

* Vitality: No

* Block: No (but you want to use shield anyway for the extra armor that pets do benefit from)

* Dodge: Yes

* Armor: Yes

* Physical Resistance: Yes

* Cold Resistance: Untested

* Fire Resistance: Untested

* Lightning Resistance: Untested

* Poison Resistance: Untested

* Arcane/Holy Resistance: Untested

* Missile Damage Reduction: Untested

* Melee Damage Reduction: Untested

 

 

 

Offensive Stats

 

* Intelligence: Yes (through increasing your damage)

* Attack Speed: Yes (through increasing your damage)

* Critical Hit Chance: Yes (increases pet crit chance)

* Critical Hit Damage: No

* Thorns: Yes (Must take Fierce Loyalty Skill)

 

 

Stat Priority to Increase Pet Survivability

 

* 1. Stun/Freeze

* 2. Intelligence

* 3. Armor/Strength

* 4. Resist All

* 5. Individual Resists

* 6. Dexterity

 

 

 

Can Pets Be Healed? (must take Fierce Loyalty Skill)

From Stats

 

* Life Regeneration: Yes

* Life Steal: No (needs more testing)

* Life On hit: No (needs more testing)

* Life Per kill: No (needs more testing)

 

 

 

From Abilities

 

* Firebats + Vampire Bats Rune: No

* Haunt + Consuming Spirit: No

* Spirit Barrage + Phlebotomize: No

* Spirit Walk + Healing Journey: Yes

 

 

From Passive Skills

 

* Blood Ritual Skill: Yes

 

 

 

CC Information

CCs From Gear

 

* Amulet - Chance to Blind on Hit

* Belt - Chance to Freeze on Hit

* Boots - Chance to Immobilize on Hit

* Bracers - Chance to Knockback on Hit

* Gloves - Chance to Stun on Hit

* Helm - Chance to Fear on Hit

* Pants - Chance to Slow on Hit

* Shoulders - Chance to Chill on Hit

* Weapon - Bleed Chance + all of the above CCs

* Off-Hand - Bleed Chance + all of the above CCs

 

 

 

Recommended CCs

 

* Freeze

* Stun

* Chill

* Immobilize

* Slow

* Bleed

 

 

 

Recommended Abilities for CC Build

 

* Gargantuan + Big Stinker Rune

* Summon Zombie Dogs + Burning Dogs Rune

* Corpse Spiders + Spider Queen Rune

* Firebomb + Fire Pit Rune (Or Plague of Toads + Rain of Toads Rune if you have a lot of mana)

* Spirit Walk

* Big Bad Voodoo + Ghost Trance Rune

* Horrify + Frightening Aspect

 

 

 

Recommended Passive Skills for CC Build

 

* Jungle Fortitude

* Zombie Handler

* Fierce Loyalty

* Blood Ritual + Fierce Loyalty + High Life

* Pierce the Veil

[Ultimate]

fucking retarded shit game. why the fuck there's 2 gay combination elitepacks in the same fucking place!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????